yeti don't think so; most likely the network rc service needs to be restarted after a router's hard reset, and/or the encryption key of the CGD root disk needs to bebre-entered after a power outage. By the way, any idea to circumvent either if those problems?
I haven't been at home for few days, sorry will check this out as I get there later.
JuvenalUrbino By the way, any idea to circumvent either if those problems?
As for networking, I suppose that a cron job invoking a script which attempts to ping netbsd.org, and restarts network service if it gets no route to host, would do the trick.
JuvenalUrbino the encryption key of the CGD root disk needs to bebre-entered after a power outage.
No idea... I've never used an encrypted FS. :-/
Having the passord automatically entered would contradict the reason of having encryption?
So, just had to restart the network service. I implemented a cron job to prevent the issue from reoccurring in future. Wonder if that's thr correct approach. As for power outages, I should probably get an UPS.
JuvenalUrbino Yip... I noticed the server being reachable again.
\o/
yeti I now have set this to be executed every 10 min :P :
( ping -c1 192.168.1.1 >/dev/null 2>&1 ) || service network restartPing?
Let's ditch this?
It's just another community zombie service.
Just frustratingly silent 99% of the time.
yeti Sorry Yeti, I really wanted to be more active on the newsgroup. Finding time has become rare, between the 4 year old and the 1 year old, and work...
You might have noticed I've been absent from the forums for a while also. I go through waves of enthusiasm for this kind of stuff. And in all honesty, I have no need for the text based life. All my machines have a browser open nearly all of the time so why wouldn't I just use the forums?
yeti Let's ditch this?
It's just another community zombie service.
Just frustratingly silent 99% of the time.
I've been away from the newsgroup for as much I didn't write here; yet this highlighted how, aside from occasional lurkers, there were only 3 active users there (me included), and this isn't enouh to keep a community alive.
We've had great threads there, and I enjoyed posting from plan9 and old hardware, but realistically, I realize how interest in his sort of things is slowly fading away (outside of niches like SDF and tildes, and even there....).
Sometimes I wish I had more time and calm to sit at my desk and have fun computing in this day and age. However, using a phone to write on a forum is simply more convenient for the majority of the userbase, and almost the totality of the rest of the people.
JuvenalUrbino I realize how interest in his sort of things is slowly fading away (outside of niches like SDF and tildes, and even there....).
My perception is different. It's not a tsunami of new users, but I see newcomers and oldtimers signing up anew and again with the Usenet providers I'm using and I see many toots with #usenet, #nntp, #uucp and #nncp in the clickycolourspace. Give it some time. Patience isn't among my superpowers too, but at least I can keep some optimism...
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SDF's sdf.* groups are even more silent than the Tildeverse's newsgroups. I think both variants of pubnixes fail because they want to dance at every party, i.e. running too many competing services that split the communities into dysfunctional small groups per service.
Megalomania?
Sometimes less really is more!
oui I know i am somewhat late but i think this needs to be corrected. Real programmers use geany (or mcedit if they are to lazy to move away from the terminal) because they aren't stuck in the frickin 80's...
No, joking aside, text editor wars are the most silly thing to ever show up on the internet. Everyone should use whatever they think to get the most productivity from.
Wasn't that replaced by language wars already long ago?
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yeti I think both variants of pubnixes fail because they want to dance at every party, i.e. running too many competing services that split the communities into dysfunctional small groups per service.
I agree with you. In order for a Usenet-like community to grow in a healthy way, and stay for long, the server/pubnix hosting it should focus mainly, if not only, on NNTP. I was part of such a community for a couple years (well, we had XMPP rooms too, and a NNTP to mail gateway) during the pandemics, one of the few truly positive memories of these doomed years.
Sometimes less really is more!
Yes, yes and yes. But they follow what people want. A mastodon/pixelfed/lemmy instance for geeks combined with a 9front VPS, Nextcloud, gemini and whatever new shining technology comes from the indieweb, is way more desiderable than anyhing else SDF has to offer as a classic publc access UNIX.
yeti Wasn't that replaced by language wars already long ago?
We already have BSD flavor infightings to deal with, before ever venturing in text editors, programming languages, window managers, monospaced fonts...
JuvenalUrbino BSD flavor infightings
Horror Sapiens sucks!
And some GUIs too!
Go to the stop of the page and search "real programmer" using the browser's search function. At least in my FF it does not work. I can has all articles via NNTP plz?
Actually i've had design sketches for a messaging system that would likely use NNTP on the surface lying around for ages. To bad it'll probably take at least another decade until i'll finally get to work on it. Same old, same old... So many fascinating projects so little time.
On a side note: All those *wars usually say more about the people fighting than about what they are fighting over. There'll always be a i-am-most-comfortable-using-this type of thing but there'll never be a universal optimum. Even something as hideous as Windows might be someones personal works-best-for-me (it's perfectly well deserved to call that hypothetical someone batshit crazy though!).
https://campaignwiki.org/news looks like a nice appetizer into news and I'm all in for news reader diversity. Nobody demands that I've to love them all... \o/ ...and a healthy digitope needs diversity to keep evolving.
yeti Well back in the day my newsreader used to be forte agent, later pan and these days it would extremely likely (huge understatement here) be sylpheed. The problem with usenet in it's oldschool form is sadly that it's pretty much like email - a protocol designed in and for a whole different "internet universe" with the biggest difference being that email was considered so integral (it's pretty much the lowest common denominator when it comes to internet communication and reaching even close to a global agreement on changing to something else is full on impossible) that people piled hacks on top of hacks just to keep it "somewhat" working. NNTP didn't get that treatment (and doesn't deserve to).
Don't get me wrong i am very much the last person to hate on something as iconic as Usenet but in todays internet landscape it will mostly attract very finite groups of people and while i am not saying that has to be entirely bad, calling the possibility of a reemergence of Usenet as a global medium highly unlikely is still most certainly quite overoptimistic (not implying you actually expect it to come back with a bang in any way). Even if it did, it would have to go the way of email (hello funky headers, hello cryptic DNS records, hello overaggressive filters and so on) just to keep it usable.
The way i see it is that the best that could happen to Usenet is for someone to come around and redesign the underlying concepts while keeping NNTP between the client and the "server" (or more probably the local node). Usenet has a ton of very useful and capable clients/tools that would just continue to work as long as they can continue talking NNTP. What happens beyond that doesn't bother them, so the messages might as well end up in a decentralized datastore.
Sure there would be quite a couple of tough nuts to crack on how to organize all of this but i have a feeling most of the puzzle pieces are already there. "control messages" could piggyback on some blockchain to establish kind of a "control tree structure" while nodes could use mining hashes as form of micropayments (for storage, retrieval, maybe routing and so on - probably still quite tough to calibrate for strong adversaries, i admit) to keep abuse at bay (while not requiring the user to actively touch anything "crypto" at all). All of this could be glued on top of some anonymizing network like i2p (or something similar - there is quite a bit of options these days it seems but i am badly out of date here) and with the datastore anonymized (like freenet or 2 decades back stop1984's entropy) it could end up becoming a decentralized, self governing and censorship resistant communication platform.
Just think how cool it would be. In my opinion it even fits the spirit of the "old" (un- or at least way less regulated) internet. In any case i would be SO rushing to use this and i think in a world where a proprietary service like Telegram is actually already kinda portrayed as "uncensored/bulletproof" (obviously it's neither) there might even be a real niche for something like this. Imagine people who have never experienced much of anything beyond [insert-list-of-social-media-giants-here] rushing to install some NNTP app on their phones. It would be so massively surreal and, well, all it really takes is someone to figure out the details and hack in some code 
OK, enough of the rambling pipe dreams... Whoever actually read all of what i just wrote has my honest respect!
