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nia Without superpowers?

...and maybe that topic diversion already is worth a thread mitosis?

    yeti ...and maybe that topic diversion already is worth a thread mitosis?

    How would an aploid thread look like were it to undergo meiosis instead?

    • rvp replied to this.

      nia Now do it with /dev/mem.

      Never done a live system. Patched more than a few binaries using the power of conv=notrunc (much quicker than re-linking sometimes).

      JuvenalUrbino How would an aploid thread look like were it to undergo meiosis instead?

      There would be 3 additional threads instead of just one.

      pfr I genuinely believed emacs was an operating system.

      Emacs isn't an OS: it actually is a full-blown lisp interpreter, with the basic editing functions itself written in lisp. Which results in flexibility and customizability like you wouldn't believe. Emacs has fans.

      This is from Neal Stephenson's In the Beginning... Was the Command Line:

      In the GNU/Linux world there are two major text editing programs: the minimalist vi (known in some implementations as elvis) and the maximalist emacs. I use emacs, which might be thought of as a thermonuclear word processor. It was created by Richard Stallman; enough said. It is written in Lisp, which is the only computer language that is beautiful. It is colossal, and yet it only edits straight ASCII text files, which is to say, no fonts, no boldface, no underlining. In other words, the engineer-hours that, in the case of Microsoft Word, were devoted to features like mail merge, and the ability to embed feature-length motion pictures in corporate memoranda, were, in the case of emacs, focused with maniacal intensity on the deceptively simple-seeming problem of editing text. If you are a professional writer--i.e., if someone else is getting paid to worry about how your words are formatted and printed--emacs outshines all other editing software in approximately the same way that the noonday sun does the stars. It is not just bigger and brighter; it simply makes everything else vanish.

        rvp I really must dive into lisp. While I dont have much desire to learn emacs (but maybe oneday) I do appreciate many other lisp programs. stumpwm being one of them, another ratpoisen-like wm, similar to the one I'm using. I'm only just getting my head around C and starting to be comfortable with sh. Lisp is next on my list, followed by rust and go

        • yeti replied to this.

          pfr

          https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2020/AW1.125/lispeverywhere.webm
          https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2020/AW1.125/lispeverywhere.mp4

          I'd give our shitty mixedfix notation the worst score of all the ways to write stuff. Unluckily we have been brainwashed with that ugly garbage heap of prefix, postfix, infix, different binding power, different binding power correcting parentheses, superscript, subscript and whatnot for enough time to make it really sticky in our brains. Forth and Lisp look like the most beautiful languages on earth to me but that brainwashing seems to win so far. :-(

          As lispy WM I liked Sawfish.

          I wonder how kids educated in RPN or PN from the start would perform in these languages.

          The world different see they would?

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            yeti I wonder how kids educated in RPN or PN from the start would perform in these languages.

            PN & RPN look weird at first, but, they're very easy to understand if you think of the operators as pure functions. For example:

            mul(5, 4)			# * 5 4 => 20
            add(3, 1)			# + 3 1 => 4
            mul(add(2, 3), add(3, 1))	# * + 2 3 + 3 1 => 20

            Unfortunately, it isn't taught like that. Even CS students learn it like pushing and popping things off the stack. Terrible...

            • yeti replied to this.

              rvp Even CS students learn it like pushing and popping things off the stack. Terrible...

              That was different when I was in the LSPC (Large Student/Professor Collider). Maybe because IT stuff still was fairly new and just began to mutate from a math subtopic to undercover math with just a different name.

              What's the difference between math students and CS students? As a math student you know you are learning math.

              • rvp replied to this.

                yeti What's the difference between math students and CS students?

                Any country with Democracy in its name isn't one--it's very likely a dictatorship (DPRK). Similarly, any discipline with Science in its title isn't: Political Science, Social Science, Computer Science...

                  rvp Any country with Democracy in its name isn't one--it's very likely a dictatorship (DPRK).

                  Or People's Democratic Republic of the Congo, essentially a one-party dominant system1. Many years ago I played the role of a Congolese delegate in UN SPECPOL at NHSMUN. I learned a lot about the misuse of political buzzwords.

                  1 (no intention to hurt the sensitivity of potential readers here)

                    JuvenalUrbino Many years ago I played the role of a Congolese delegate in UN SPECPOL at NHSMUN.

                    What a coincidence. I have also been a Congolese delegate at a local MUN!

                    8 days later

                    It looks like if retrobsd.ddns.net is unreachable or switched off in my GNUS all works as expected, while if retrobsd.ddns.net is reachable, GNUS often hangs and I need to ^G and restart looking for new news sometimes even multiple times.

                    I'm reading retrobsd.ddns.net, a local imap: and three other nntp: sources with GNUS.

                    If it works for reliably you, how does your config for retrobsd.ddns.net look?

                      yeti It looks like if retrobsd.ddns.net is unreachable or switched off

                      Look like I had to restart INN after upgrading to pkgsrc-2022Q1 😉

                      yeti GNUS often hangs and I need to G and restart looking for new news sometimes even multiple times.

                      I suppose that's due to some configuration setting on my side. Finding reliable sources on INN/NNTP is extremely hard, especially with regard to private servers (not relayed with Usenet peers). I have therefore no example to compare to, which, considering how complex INN configuration is, and my relative lack of competence on the protocol, represents quite a downside.

                      Edit: on slrn I only experience hangs while posting a reply after a certain idle time. I remember the used to happen on the orbitalfox.eu newsserver, which was another local community. It's probably something in the default inn.conf.

                      • yeti replied to this.

                        JuvenalUrbino on slrn I only experience hangs while posting a reply after a certain idle time

                        I see that here too, hit C-g C-c C-c bow, jump once and clap 3 times and then it works. That might be related to the hanging on trying to fetch news.


                        EDIT: But nice to hear that it isn't a pure GNUS problem. That may increase the chance to find out what happens.

                        JuvenalUrbino Oh! Interesting! ^G gets quoted as G. Someone please tickle someone (other?) at the source of this forum's software.