After a recent release of NetBSD 9.0 ( https://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-9/NetBSD-9.0.html ) what does community members' wishlist for NetBSD 10.0 -try to be more specific of possible 🙂

support for running cross-endian binaries on bi-endian architectures like MIPS and PowerPC XFS driver? even read-only would be nice stability / usability fixes for macppc machfb driver fixes to prevent hang on boot CHRP script to allow boot on new-world systems without needing OF prompt stability / usability fixes for sgimips seemingly random kernel panics when under heavy load with newport graphics enabled would be great to have a driver for the indy VINO graphics capture (its very well documented) port to gamecube/wii evbarm port to i.mx6 / sabrelite ... i might personally be researching / writing code for literally all of these

Better Atheros WiFi support Keep zfs and dtrace up to date Vscode in pkgsrc Switch to openrc Ungoogled chromium and iridium Arduino support Better risc-v support

boot+root on zfs base system as a bunch of packages for easier updates (someone is/was working on this...) import Ed Schouten's cloudabi patchset more ARM64 SoCs (jmcneill@ has been absolutely phenomenal at this).

Easy: Better cross-compiling infrastructure for packages AMD64 -> Armv7, Armv8 FreeBSD has poudriere/jails/qemu. John Marino (before he was kicked out) developed gnatcross-aarch64 to do it better (so I think it's probably a dport on DragonflyBSD). I know he was working on NetBSD, so I'm surprised he didn't continue this. NetBSD? Kludge.

I only own x86_64 hardware, but I'm happy to see that the OS lives up to the moto "Of course it runs NetBSD" and is introducing new platforms to the already extensive list 🙂 Honestly, and unlike what others have written, my hard drives are small and CoW file systems are of no use to me. Sorry, but I don't really care about zfs and if its introduced, I do hope the possibility to run FFSv2 is kept, its good enough to me. I do hope to see increasing support for wireless cards and new hardware. Being on pair with Linux-4.4 series is very good already, keep-up the excellent work!! The work already done on virtualization is awesome 🥳 , nvmm and haxm are great additions and allow those who want/need to run another OS for those, natively unsupported tasks. In all, I'm very happy with NetBSD already. It would be nice to convince Google to compile a version of widevine for BSD. I would then be able to convert a few family machines, currently running on Ubuntu base, to NetBSD. They want their Netflix 🤔 Personally, I'd like to see a clean-up of the pkgsrc tree. There're loads of packages, where the upstream project is either abandoned or dead. That's a lot of resources being used to patch and maintain software, that could be otherwise pulling/packaging more useful things. But, that's probably just me, as I'm a minimalist but also a modernist 😉 Along similar lines, a base system clean-up would be nice, e.g. why twm and ctwm in base? I know they are small, but a wm should be a users choice and one is more than enough. A similar thought goes for the number of shells in base and few other unnecessary things. I always remove /games and ctwm and I keep away from linux-emul . Again, no big deal, just a thought. One thing, though... More and more things are done on a web-browser, so maybe time to think about how to keep the browser up-to-date. I'm happy running firefox , but it would be nice to have it updated in between Q-releases. I know, I can build it from pkgsrc-current , but I'd like to stick to one release.

Port of recent AMDGPU driver to NetBSD and try to keep it updated, that would be a dream. <3

[unknown] It would be nice to convince Google to compile a version of widevine for BSD. I would then be able to convert a few family machines, currently running on Ubuntu base, to NetBSD. They want their Netflix In my opinion: without an NDA to sign this is unlikely to happen, as far as I can assume from briefly looking into widevine. even getting them to acknowledge your existence seems hard.

[deleted] Yes, I'm perfectly aware of that. Its all in the hands of google and not on the hands of the OS. I just think it sucks. Netflix uses FreeBSD and even contributes back to it, but FreeBSD users can not watch Netflix because it uses google's widevine 👿 The only reason it works on Linux, if you're using the standard glibC , which I don't, my Linux machine runs on musl , is because it has to work on ChromeOS The choice of OS should have nothing to do with it . Unfortunately, it does 😢

fcambus provided his wishlist items for 10.0: 1) signed packages 2) easy installation on encrypted root 3) LLVM built by default on amd64/i386 4) Spleen by default for framebuffer consoles 😉

Lima drivers for mali4xx gpus and newer amdgpu version. Default PKG_PATH set to correct versions and architecture. Easier install process. Maybe dialog that tells you "Reboot or open shell in installed system" at the end of installation?

Wishlist for NetBSD 10.0

nia

vazub there doesn't seem to be much interest in HAMMER. Current filesystem developments in the pipeline are improved UDF support and ZFS in the bootloader.

vazub

nia I see, thanks for the update. Are there any technical considerations against that or mostly lack of devs/capacity? Sorry if this is not the proper topic to ask about this, but I am craving for some tech insights and can't seem to find any at the moment. At least on paper, HAMMER2 boasts kinda same perks ZFS has, while still being permissive-licensed - so my default assumption would be that it might interest BSD-crowd. Yet I don't see much interest in its adoption at the moment, which makes me curious as to why not.

nia

vazub we had a brief discussion about it at some point. I remember the general conclusion being "too much complex work when there's already a solution we find reliable" (ZFS). a lot is at risk when you add a new filesystem with write support.

JuvenalUrbino

nia what about CHFS? Is there any practical use for it on flash drives?

nia

JuvenalUrbino It's not for drives like you would find on a desktop or server system, it's for raw flash - like on some embedded boards.

Word on the street is that it's pretty slow and inefficient, but it might be worth extracting its raw flash capabilities and adapting them for FFS.

JuvenalUrbino

nia ty XD

nortonham

nia

I can only hope after my own struggles with it lol

nortonham

nia

Is that available if I run current?

Bruno

Any chance to run NetBSD-current on AMD Ryzen 5700U?

strawman2511

Bruno you mean the CPU? If you can try to boot to NetBSD live usb try to check for dmesg output and see if it work. I also have a new laptop through but install NetBSD inside it seem like a risk choice when I don't have graphic card and sound driver so I decide to put it inside Virtualbox. Maybe you can try to test it inside Virtual Machine, I know it isn't smooth than real hardware but perhaps a great experience to learn about Operating System.

20-100

Posted 5 hours ago on the NetBSD 10.0 releng wiki page:

branch planed around May 9, 2022

🙂 🙂 🙂

Mosfet

20-100 It's about f*cking time! 😝

pfr

20-100
Does this mean we should change the title of this thread to Wishlist for NetBSD 11 ?

Are new things still being added this close to release?

puhaTek

More example "modload" template drivers, one for a pci wireless driver and another for a graphics card driver so we can use it as a template when attempting to port a Linux driver over. Would like to get my Acer Swift 113 with Intel HD up and running at 1080p, and the wifi on my old ASUS up and running.

Mosfet

Are there any news regarding branching 10 @nia ???

If I remember correctly, there was this blocker from May:
https://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-kern/2022/05/24/msg028105.html

Is this still unresolved? Are there any other blockers?

Mosfet please see, https://wiki.netbsd.org/releng/netbsd-10/

Mosfet

I know this page, although I don't think that it is updated often, since it states:

branch delayed (again) due to EA issues (see above), probably will happen around June 7.

And now it is September... :P

nia

We're waiting to chuq to commit a fix

Jay

@nia 's NetBSD 10 talk after 13th min https://bsdtv-player.secdn.net/theatre/1533910d-8f94-4a30-94ff-6cfd8e4504ba

Edit : presentation link https://netbsd.org/gallery/presentations/nia/eurobsdcon2022/releng.html

Mosfet

Jay TBH, I have to agree with this guy on reddit:

Just to clarify: the page makes it seem like it's already been released, because it already talks of 10.0 as if it already exists…

[https://www.reddit.com/r/NetBSD/comments/xgtcrk/comment/ioubp8n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3]

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