1) I'm a linux user since 1999 so i'm a bit bored and trying operating systems of bsd family. FreeBSD is very good for the desktop very fine indeed but if you go and install it from the start it takes way much time to download the packages (very slow) and make the configurations from the other hand openbsd has very easy installer is compatible on my pc and my laptop and gives me everything i need to just start and install a simple desktop and i'm ready. The only thing i don't like on openbsd is that firefox/chromium seems to have trouble playing 60fps youtube videos on my ryzen/vega laptop something i don't understand at all , this framedropping can't be explained cause it supports drm /amdgpu. Even on my main computer's Radeon Pro graphics card it still has some small undetectable framedropping. Is there anything i should do to configure the drm/ amdgpu ??? 2) I want to configure xorg so i can enable Touch to Left Click on my laptops touchpad

Help ! Framedropping in 60fps youtube videos etc

chrisfromgreece FreeBSD is very good for the desktop ...but ...it takes way much time to download the packages (very slow)

Don't know anything about FreeBSD but, could this be a mirror problem? At least on NetBSD, the installer defaults to the US mirror. Once I change that to an European mirror everything goes much faster.

chrisfromgreece

pin i have already tried it its slightly better but the whole process is painfully slow.

JuvenalUrbino

pin Don't know anything about FreeBSD but, could this be a mirror problem

it's a known problem on FreeBSD since, well, ever 😆

20-100 They find it natural that everybody installs her own Poudriere server to build from source

So true. No harm meant, poudriere is an utterly amazing tool, but it may not fit the use case of the casual workstation user. By the way, for desktop use, I definitely prefer synth, as it tends to automatize stuff and has sane defaults. FreeBSD always felt like the Gentoo of BSDs (and it's not a secret the latter was inspired by the former): very powerful, high performance, great abstraction and flexibility, unparalleled potential for customization and use-specific configurations; but it may fall short in the long period (speaks the one who uses pkg_comp on NetBSD), unless you stick with pre-compiled packages and their defaults (which tbh are not that great, and often server-oriented).

20-100 And finally, when a package fails to build on FreeBSD's Poudriere servers, it disappears from the repository (instead of keeping the previous version) and if you update your machine, the working version gets removed.

I can relate

bsduck You can also lock the affected package (# pkg lock yourpackage).

This, pkg lock is a life saver

bsduck encountered much more missing packages (and for a longer time) when experimenting with NetBSD

You're right, though it often comes down to opting for the ''right" (most convenient, be it even compiled for a minor release behind) repo, and fortunately there's many unofficial ones available out there.

bsduck OpenBSD is definitely the most reliable here, which is not a surprise since they mostly use packages only and using ports is officially discouraged

yes

20-100

Nobody at FreeBSD seems aware of the crucial importance of packages ("ports are not FreeBSD"). They find it natural that everybody installs her own Poudriere server to build from source. They also don't care about having clean packages dependencies, so when you install something, it often brings in its compiler and other build tools. And finally, when a package fails to build on FreeBSD's Poudriere servers, it disappears from the repository (instead of keeping the previous version) and if you update your machine, the working version gets removed.

In 2020, this is absolutely unacceptable and it's the reason why I gave up trying and use FreeBSD. It turned out to be a good thing, though, because it created an opportunity for me to discover NetBSD and OpenBSD. 🙂

strawman2511

20-100
FreeBSD will be lightweight without xorg. That why they use it with ZFS for server. I know some people only use FreeBSD for server and always refuse for desktop.
At least it less bloated than linux kernel with systemd, just my opinion 🤣.

bsduck

Nobody at FreeBSD seems aware of the crucial importance of packages

I would not say that. For sure the pkg system deserves some improvements compared to its Linux counterparts, but it is widely used and fully supported. I don't have statistics but I think much more people use packages rather than compiling everything from ports.

They also don't care about having clean packages dependencies

I have seen more useless dependencies on many Linux distributions, but you're right. I have fast internet so I don't really care about a few more MiBs but I agree this can be annoying on a slow connection.

And finally, when a package fails to build on FreeBSD's Poudriere servers, it disappears from the repository (instead of keeping the previous version) and if you update your machine, the working version gets removed.

The thing with packages sometimes disappearing is true and annoyed me a few times. Fortunately, they are usually back a few days later, once the build problem has been solved. I don't remember having any package forcefully removed because of this, I think the installed versions were always kept as is. Should this indeed happen, don't apply the update, wait a few days for the problem to be solved and try again. You can also lock the affected package (# pkg lock yourpackage).

It turned out to be a good thing, though, because it created an opportunity for me to discover NetBSD and OpenBSD.

To be honest, I encountered much more missing packages (and for a longer time) when experimenting with NetBSD than I ever had on FreeBSD, but I may just have been there at the wrong time 🙂

OpenBSD is definitely the most reliable here, which is not a surprise since they mostly use packages only and using ports is officially discouraged.

About your video problem, I cannot help. I tried many different settings but have never been able to get decent video rendering with OpenBSD, unlike other BSDs.

rvp

chrisfromgreece The only thing i don't like on openbsd is that firefox/chromium seems to have trouble playing 60fps youtube videos on my ryzen/vega laptop something i don't understand at all , this framedropping can't be explained cause it supports drm /amdgpu. Even on my main computer's Radeon Pro graphics card it still has some small undetectable framedropping. Is there anything i should do to configure the drm/ amdgpu ???

How are you measuring this framedropping? Visually or using right-click > "Stats for nerds"?

chrisfromgreece

rvp i can detect it visible and with right-click stats for nerds. Also i tried the snapshots and seems a lot better it is viewable but of course with some framedropping.
To be sincere its having the same performance with freebsd if you forgot to load the amdgpu.ko to rc.conf
LOL :-( not to say even worse than that !
I remember before some years you had to change the kernel config and compile the kernel to enable amdgpu support can i achieve anything by compiling the kernel ? OpenBSD supports only intel and amd at least they should make some tests this is unacceptable performance. dmesg says drm is active not know if i had to configure anything else. I like openbsd it is easy to install and maintain but i wish i could solve this thing.

rvp

chrisfromgreece Some amount of framedropping is inevitable on all Unixes (Linux, FreeBSD, ...) when playing 60FPS or high-res videos because neither Chrome nor Firefox support any HW video decoding on them. Both do HW-assisted video decoding only on Windows (and possibly MacOS)--check the CPU when high-res videos are being played even on Linux; all the CPUs will be running at full-throttle

If you want HW-assisted video decoding (this also depends on how new your CPU/GPU is--older ones don't decode VP9/H265), then install mpv (and youtube-dl if it is not brought in automatically). mpv (and, I think, also vlc) uses VDPAU/VAAPI/... to play videos and so have a much lower CPU usage. Check it out for yourself. mpv can also play Youtube videos if you give it the standard URL.

Back to your in-browser problem: post the output of these (after a fresh reboot and X session run):

dmesg >/tmp/dmesg.txt
~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log

chrisfromgreece

rvp https://pastebin.com/Q0uasYt2
https://pastebin.com/inQhJDUr

chrisfromgreece

https://pastebin.com/Q0uasYt2
https://pastebin.com/inQhJDUr

rvp

chrisfromgreece Your dmesg output is a bit confusing because there are multiple sessions and at least 2 different kernels in it. There is an firmware load error reported which causes a fall-back to the slow software-only efifb:

mc: Failed to load firmware "amdgpu/polaris12_mc.bin"
[drm] *ERROR* Failed to load mc firmware!
[drm] *ERROR* sw_init of IP block <gmc_v8_0> failed -2
drm:pid0:amdgpu_device_init *ERROR* amdgpu_device_ip_init failed
drm:pid0:amdgpu_attachhook *ERROR* Fatal error during GPU init
efifb0 at mainbus0: 1920x1080, 32bpp
wsdisplay0 at efifb0 mux 1: console (std, vt100 emulation), using wskbd0

but, that is fixed with the newer kernel:

amdgpu0: POLARIS12 8 CU rev 0x00
amdgpu0: 1920x1080, 32bpp
wsdisplay0 at amdgpu0 mux 1: console (std, vt100 emulation), using wskbd0

And, your Xorg.log shows the GPU is being used properly:

[    18.957] (II) AMDGPU: Driver for AMD Radeon:
[    18.971] (II) AMDGPU(0): [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled.
...
[    18.972] (--) AMDGPU(0): Chipset: "AMD Radeon Pro WX2100" (ChipID = 0x6995)
[    19.221] (II) AMDGPU(0): glamor X acceleration enabled on AMD Radeon Pro WX2100 (POLARIS12, DRM 3.37.0, 6.8, LLVM 10.0.1)
[    19.221] (II) AMDGPU(0): glamor detected, initialising EGL layer.
[    19.221] (==) AMDGPU(0): TearFree property default: auto
[    19.221] (==) AMDGPU(0): VariableRefresh: disabled
[    19.221] (II) AMDGPU(0): KMS Pageflipping: enabled
...
[    19.240] (II) AMDGPU(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
[    19.240] (II) AMDGPU(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: radeonsi
[    19.240] (II) AMDGPU(0): [DRI2]   VDPAU driver: radeonsi
[    19.241] (II) AMDGPU(0): Front buffer pitch: 7680 bytes
[    19.242] (II) AMDGPU(0): SYNC extension fences enabled
[    19.242] (II) AMDGPU(0): Present extension enabled
[    19.242] (==) AMDGPU(0): DRI3 enabled
[    19.242] (==) AMDGPU(0): Backing store enabled
[    19.242] (II) AMDGPU(0): Direct rendering enabled
[    19.325] (II) AMDGPU(0): Use GLAMOR acceleration.
[    19.325] (II) AMDGPU(0): Acceleration enabled
[    19.325] (==) AMDGPU(0): DPMS enabled
[    19.325] (==) AMDGPU(0): Silken mouse enabled
[    19.325] (II) AMDGPU(0): Set up textured video (glamor)

Everything looks OK as far as I can see. Keep using the latest GENERIC.MP kernel you're now running and then enable SMT in /etc/sysctl.conf:

hw.smt=1

What's the output of this command: xrandr

chrisfromgreece

rvp On my desktop pc i have no problems with performance only some strange behaviour sometimes while i change windows its like it blinking or showing the desktop or something maybe i should configure openbox and a tiling manager with compton because xfce may not be very compatible. The problem is with my ryzen/vega laptop it framedropping very much i will do some more testing

rvp

chrisfromgreece The problem is with my ryzen/vega laptop it framedropping very much

As I pointed out in the other post, above:

Your graphics drivers are all OK (at least, with the latest 6.8-current kernel)
Firefox uses software video decoding on Linux and all BSDs

So, your framedropping is most likely a CPU issue:

Enable SMT (as given above)
Disable or change performance level of apmd

If you run apmd, then it will throttle CPU and you will have pretty bad video playback. If you are running apmd, then temporarily switch it to high-perf. mode before watching a 60fps video using apm -H. Switch back to automatic mode using apm -A.

What's the output of this command on OpenBSD:

sysctl hw

chrisfromgreece

rvp No problems now ! Even my laptop is ok and i've set it in lowest power profile to save battery.

rvp

chrisfromgreece No problems now ! Even my laptop is ok and i've set it in lowest power profile to save battery.

Ok, I'll bite: What fixed the problem?

chrisfromgreece

rvp Probably that i used the snapshots image :-)
Or that i entered some configuration about messagebus ,limits etc etc
plus xrender,layers force acceleration, hardware acceleration force , webgl force on firefox
But now its fine !
The only thing i wish that it would be faster resuming after a suspend maybe i should make it go to hibernation after i close the lid , i don't know if this would be safe i guess it decharging while it is in hibernation .
Anyway i like it very much i bought a nice bluetooth tranceiver 5$ on ebay and my bluetooth headphone are working ! haha.
My favorite BSD by far !

chrisfromgreece

rvp I used to be able to broadcast to facebook (i even broadcasted to openbsd group) via an ffmpeg script fauxstream for openbsd .
Now terminal gets confused with the broadcasting key i don't know what i'm doing wrong but i can't broadcast to facebook (or elsewhere?) anymore what i'm doing wrong now ?

rvp

chrisfromgreece Probably that i used the snapshots image :-)

This, most probably.
(Your log messages show the -current kernel loading the GPU firmware blobs. The -release kernel did not.)

What about apmd? Are you running that too? Running that was what caused noticable lags when playing YouTube videos on my laptop.

chrisfromgreece

rvp yes i run it.
If i didn't know anything about openbsd and was turning on my system i would believe that i am running some kind of linux very comfortable easy to install configure and maintain operating system decent package download speed very good.
I even tried some games with fnaify lol :-)

rvp

chrisfromgreece Sorry, don't use Facebook (or any social sites at all, actually).