After a recent release of NetBSD 9.0 ( https://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-9/NetBSD-9.0.html ) what does community members' wishlist for NetBSD 10.0 -try to be more specific of possible :)

- support for running cross-endian binaries on bi-endian architectures like MIPS and PowerPC - XFS driver? even read-only would be nice - stability / usability fixes for macppc - machfb driver fixes to prevent hang on boot - CHRP script to allow boot on new-world systems without needing OF prompt - stability / usability fixes for sgimips - seemingly random kernel panics when under heavy load with newport graphics enabled - would be great to have a driver for the indy VINO graphics capture (its very well documented) - port to gamecube/wii - evbarm port to i.mx6 / sabrelite ... i *might* personally be researching / writing code for literally all of these

Better Atheros WiFi support Keep zfs and dtrace up to date Vscode in pkgsrc Switch to openrc Ungoogled chromium and iridium Arduino support Better risc-v support

* boot+root on zfs * base system as a bunch of packages for easier updates (someone is/was working on this...) * import Ed Schouten's cloudabi patchset * more ARM64 SoCs (jmcneill@ has been absolutely phenomenal at this).

Easy: Better cross-compiling infrastructure for packages AMD64 -> Armv7, Armv8 FreeBSD has poudriere/jails/qemu. John Marino (before he was kicked out) developed gnatcross-aarch64 to do it better (so I think it's probably a dport on DragonflyBSD). I know he was working on NetBSD, so I'm surprised he didn't continue this. NetBSD? Kludge.

I only own x86_64 hardware, but I'm happy to see that the OS lives up to the moto _"Of course it runs NetBSD"_ and is introducing new platforms to the already extensive list :) Honestly, and unlike what others have written, my hard drives are small and CoW file systems are of no use to me. Sorry, but I don't really care about `zfs` and if its introduced, I do hope the possibility to run `FFSv2` is kept, its good enough to me. I do hope to see increasing support for wireless cards and new hardware. Being on pair with Linux-4.4 series is very good already, keep-up the excellent work!! The work already done on virtualization is awesome 🥳 , `nvmm` and `haxm` are great additions and allow those who want/need to run another OS for those, natively unsupported tasks. In all, I'm very happy with NetBSD already. It would be nice to convince Google to compile a version of `widevine` for BSD. I would then be able to convert a few family machines, currently running on Ubuntu base, to NetBSD. They want their Netflix 🤔 Personally, I'd like to see a clean-up of the `pkgsrc` tree. There're loads of packages, where the upstream project is either abandoned or dead. That's a lot of resources being used to patch and maintain software, that could be otherwise pulling/packaging more useful things. But, that's probably just me, as I'm a minimalist but also a modernist ;) Along similar lines, a base system clean-up would be nice, e.g. why `twm` and `ctwm` in base? I know they are small, but a wm should be a users choice and one is more than enough. A similar thought goes for the number of shells in base and few other unnecessary things. I always remove `/games` and `ctwm` and I keep away from `linux-emul`. Again, no big deal, just a thought. One thing, though... More and more things are done on a web-browser, so maybe time to think about how to keep the browser up-to-date. I'm happy running `firefox`, but it would be nice to have it updated in between Q-releases. I know, I can build it from `pkgsrc-current`, but I'd like to stick to **one** release.

> @"[unknown]"#p887 It would be nice to convince Google to compile a version of widevine for BSD. I would then be able to convert a few family machines, currently running on Ubuntu base, to NetBSD. They want their Netflix In my opinion: without an NDA to sign this is unlikely to happen, as far as I can assume from briefly looking into widevine. even getting them to acknowledge your existence seems hard.

- Lima drivers for mali4xx gpus and newer amdgpu version. - Default PKG_PATH set to correct versions and architecture. - Easier install process. Maybe dialog that tells you "Reboot or open shell in installed system" at the end of installation?

Wishlist for NetBSD 10.0

andreasdr

Port of recent AMDGPU driver to NetBSD and try to keep it updated, that would be a dream. <3

[deleted] Yes, I'm perfectly aware of that. Its all in the hands of google and not on the hands of the OS.
I just think it sucks. Netflix uses FreeBSD and even contributes back to it, but FreeBSD users can not watch Netflix because it uses google's widevine 👿
The only reason it works on Linux, if you're using the standard glibC, which I don't, my Linux machine runs on musl, is because it has to work on ChromeOS

The choice of OS should have nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, it does 😢

Jay

fcambus provided his wishlist items for 10.0:
1) signed packages
2) easy installation on encrypted root
3) LLVM built by default on amd64/i386
4) Spleen by default for framebuffer consoles 😉

gigavinyl

Jay Easy encrypted root install would be a dream!

kaveman

Jay clearly, 4 is going to be the hardest 😆

Maccraft123

Lima drivers for mali4xx gpus and newer amdgpu version.
Default PKG_PATH set to correct versions and architecture.
Easier install process. Maybe dialog that tells you "Reboot or open shell in installed system" at the end of installation?

andreasdr

Maccraft123 Panfrost GPU driver for newer MALI devices would be nice for PineBookPro.

zoomzoom

Snapshot functionality for LVM. I would like to use this in combination with Xen for managing/upgrading VM images.

nia no longer defaulting to TWM

Add ctwm to it 😉
The wm should be users choice.

nia ksh and csh moved to pkgsrc (this seems like it'd cause a flame war on the mailing lists)

Same as above.

nia I don't care about ZFS (probably controversial, again).

👍️

nia kernel bits needed for WINE enabled in GENERIC

I have mixed feelings for this. Would probably compile the kernel without it.

nia make binary packages default in installer more sensible, pkgin + cdn PKG_PATH...

🙂

nia

pin I'm happy running firefox, but it would be nice to have it updated in between Q-releases. I know, I can build it from pkgsrc-current, but I'd like to stick to one release.

aaa, I missed this.

There are package updates between Q releases but they come slowly due to the limited number of people doing release engineering (at the moment just two when they have time), and Firefox is a big thing to test. I tend to request pullups for the latest ESR release only because that's what I use. My pullup for 68.2.0 was applied a couple of days ago. Now 68.3.0 is out. Oops.

nia

Just submitted a pullup for 68.3.0 😆

nia That was quick 😮
I also run Voidlinux, which is a rolling release and esr is at version 68.2.0 right now.
Maybe I should move to the esr release on NetBSD 😉

Jay

nia that's awesome 😄

cleberalves

ACPI Suspend/Resume just works completely fine, my Thinkpads X250 (I have one i5 and one i7), until now doesn't.
OpenBSD did a great job with, FreeBSD almost there. But, I don't want to use them, Linux neither.

nia

cleberalves Weirdly, I bought an i5 FHD X250 yesterday and it can suspend just fine.

Have you tried sysctl -w hw.acpi.sleep.state=3 (I recommend setting a shell alias for this)? Power button to resume.

I'm running 9 RC1, btw.

cleberalves

nia , Hi, nice to learn it. But, It didn't work here, NetBSD 9.99.17 (HEAD), btw. Just boring, but I will not give up, and NetBSD remains.

nia

Waking up is weird but manageable once you get used to it. It'll put you in a different tty to the one you were using, and you need to switch back. I think it only works using the power button on this machine, not sure about other possible combinations.

rjbadger

Support for Electron apps would be very useful. I have experimented with using NetBSD as a desktop daily driver, but lacking support for applications like Atom or VSCode really limits its viability for me.

tpaul

My wishes have already been delivered!

Rust, virtualization (via NVMM), and ZFS 🙂

pfr

pin a base system clean-up would be nice, e.g. why twm and ctwm in base? I know they are small, but a wm should be a users choice and one is more than enough. A similar thought goes for the number of shells in base and few other unnecessary things. I always remove /games and ctwm and I keep away from linux-emul.

Maybe something worth adding to the installation guide. Software removal and cleanup commands? I'd love to know what can safely be removed without breaking the base system, and how best to properly clean up the install.

pfr Maybe something worth adding to the installation guide. Software removal and cleanup commands?

Could do ...although, everything will get re-installed when upgrading.
Also, preferences may vary.

pfr what can safely be removed without breaking the base system

What would you like to remove?
games can for sure be removed. Actually, you can choose not to install the set, if you do a custom install.
To remove games just,

cd /usr
doas rm -r games/